#85: Illustrator: Isabel Carreńo: "With a just few lines, you can see who the person is"

This week on the podcast we continue our European convos with Isabel Carreńo, an illustrator from Spain. Isabel's work captures the essence of the french cinema, rockstars, and icons like Audrey Hepburn with just a few perfect lines. Her illustrations and pretty and classic, I love them.

Isabel tells me how she was drawn to her type of illustrations from an early age, why she loves to draw women, and how she grew out of some of her snobbiness. We connect over our love of pop-culture and how it can bring people together. Great chat, do it up!

See all of Isabel's work here

Music by shamgang
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Isabel

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[00:00:00] Ryan:

Hi

[00:00:01] Isabel: Hi.

[00:00:03] Ryan: Nice to meet you too. How are you doing today?

[00:00:05] Isabel: are you doing

[00:00:07] Ryan: I'm doing all right. Where are you?

[00:00:10] Isabel: So I just wanted you to, I just wanted to tell you before we start, English is not my first language. I'm actually Spanish. So I'm just warning you just in case. I mean, I'm quite fluent, but

[00:00:21] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:00:23] Isabel: just so you know I'm in Spain, in the

Canary islands.

[00:00:26] Ryan: Oh, I love it. Oh, that's so exciting.

[00:00:29] Isabel: where are you?

[00:00:30] Ryan: I'm in Ontario, Canada.

[00:00:33] Isabel: Okay, nice.

[00:00:35] Ryan: what time is it there?

[00:00:36] Isabel: It's 5:00 PM.

[00:00:38] Ryan: Okay.

So not, not too bad, but your day is over

[00:00:42] Isabel: time is it there?

[00:00:43] Ryan: it's noon.

[00:00:44] Isabel: No. No? Okay. Yeah.

Yeah.

[00:00:46] Ryan: Yeah.

Not too bad. thank you so much. Yeah, we got all the

awkwardness out of the way.

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[00:00:56] Ryan: Thank you so much for being on the podcast. I love, I love, love, love [00:01:00] your illustrations.

[00:01:01] Isabel: Thank you. Thank you for having me really it's it's like an honor for me. I'm I'm so excited. I'm quite nervous. I've got my notes written down.

[00:01:08] Ryan: I'm nervous too. Cause I knew you were far away. I didn't know exactly where you were, but for some reason the distance was like, stressing me out. I was like, oh my goodness. this.

is what matters.

[00:01:17] Isabel: Yeah, we've got technology, so it's

[00:01:20] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:01:21] Isabel: Well, I just wanted to ask you that. How long have you been doing the

podcast for?

[00:01:26] Ryan: I started last January, kind of right before everything went live. And it's been amazing. It's I've talked to some of the coolest people and

it's only getting better. So it. it's been kind of a lifesaver during all this COVID stuff and, and all that. So it

[00:01:44] Isabel: it's, a great idea. I love it. I love it.

[00:01:47] Ryan: it's, I also used to be really frustrated with my own creativity. so it's been really therapeutic for, for myself. I've gotten, I'm not frustrated anymore. It's now just really a positive thing in my life.

[00:01:57] Isabel: Oh, I'm happy. [00:02:00]

[00:02:01] Ryan: So I don't have any questions. I have a bunch of questions for you. So how about we dive into it We'll start off.

I'll have you introduce yourself. You can tell everyone where you're from and what you do, and then we'll

just go for it.

[00:02:12] Isabel: So my name is I'm Spanish. I'm 27 years old. And I'm an illustrator.

[00:02:20] Ryan: I love it. so tell him, so tell me about your illustrations.

They are so unique. They're so pretty,

so simple, but so like, like the capture, a moment to have the real iconic to them. Is that a word iconicness?

[00:02:39] Isabel: I don't know, but I

like

the word. what I think about my illustrations,

I think is that I've been doing that for as long as I can

remember. Like seriously. I, remember like just

growing my classmates, growing my teachers, drawing people, I knew like, famous people and trying to capture like.

The real Phasix facial expression, but in a few [00:03:00] lines, just like you said, they're simple. They're not like

this complicated detail drawing. So we've the years I've been trying to like, capture,

like you said, like the

expression of the people that I draw. Well, I think that's just kind of my thing, like making a simple illustration look

like the person that I'm trying to represent.

That's what I tried to do.

[00:03:21] Ryan: Why do you think that simplicity was like important to you? Even from a young age?

[00:03:26] Isabel: Hmm. I'm not sure. I just wasn't, I'm quite impatient

when I draw. And like

my friends can tell you that I'm quite fast at drawing. So if I if I get an idea, I'll just do it.

In a minute. I'm getting them over with,

so I

don't like spending hours and hours and days thinking about

a certain need, a stranger, but just like a bid on that just quickly draw it.

kind of like like a cartoon artists, I guess, like someone who does caricatures or something like that.

So don't know. I just like that with a few lines, you can see who the person is with no need of like [00:04:00]

extra

[00:04:01] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. It gets like you're like honing in on their expression, like in capturing that.

[00:04:06] Isabel: Yeah. It's not like, the eyes and the eyebrows. That's where everything's that's on them.

You just have the

hair.

[00:04:15] Ryan: I think it's more than that, but I'll your word for it.

So tell me about

cinema and, and kind of that love. Cause that's

kind of from what I've seen, like, so it runs so parallel with everything you're doing.

[00:04:28] Isabel: Yes. So I know I'm quite a censor in cinema and music, and that's where I get

my inspiration from. Basically. I just watch, maybe I love, I love cinema. And I love watching movies. So I'm really inspired. To draw what I love. That's basically what I do. I just draw whatever I like at the moment. And I tried to give my own impression of it, like my own style like honoring, let's say this thing that I really like.

I just tried to mix two things that I really love, which are cinema and [00:05:00] growing. And

that's

it. That's what.

[00:05:05] Ryan: Talk to me

about cinema. and like, when did that love kind of, how did

that kind of form and.

[00:05:12] Isabel: I'd have to back my dad, I guess who's also really into cinema. Well, my mum too, but mostly my dad I've been watching movies for a long, long time. Like all kinds of movies. I love. Six is movies. I love like French, French cinema. I'm just really drawn to like fruity movies. Let's say like aspect of pleasing movies and like, I can be from various I've where I get the inspiration for, for my own illustrations.

Same happens with, with music,

right. I just some suicide and then maybe I get inspired by it. And I imagine how this would look like as a comic strip, for example,

and like to draw that.

[00:05:58] Ryan: Yeah.

That's fun that, [00:06:00] it. goes like to, like, it turns into something so that you did the

Beatles song recently. So you're just so talk to me about inspiration and like, are you just listening and then you get like pictures in your head or like, how

does that all work?

[00:06:14] Isabel: Yeah. Normally when I draw something, it means that, for example, when it comes to a song, let's say strawberry fields forever. Obviously it's a song that I listened to maybe send me them times. I Al I already feel a certain way when I listen to these songs. So when I was doing like this little like comic strip for strawberry fields I just tried to show more or less what I saw in my head, but also inspired by the music video, which already exists because I didn't want to go too far away from their original idea of what the song meant.

So I just tried to balance what I think it represents on what the Beatles in this case

[00:06:53] Ryan: Nice.

[00:06:53] Isabel: we represented.

[00:06:55] Ryan: So you're, you're playing it like you're playing with.

not against, but you're [00:07:00] playing with what already exists and then kind of making your own verge,

like

[00:07:04] Isabel: exactly. exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Which maybe is not

like, I don't want to say it's not original, but it's just like my own take on something that I like, which already exists and it's sort of artistic on its

own,

[00:07:17] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:07:17] Isabel: but like the way that I I see.

[00:07:20] Ryan: Well, I think That's what's so interesting about pop culture is that you know, you just said you had all these feelings about this song before you kind of started drawing for it That's because a pop culture, right? like, that's something that connects you over, over there. And me over here is that I sometimes I think pop culture gets like you know, a bad rap,

you know, like, like it's like, oh, it's just pop culture.

And it's like, well, no, it

in its right place. It's really important to people and it can bring people to.

[00:07:49] Isabel: Yeah, exactly. And that's just, and that's what happens with my with my illustration, I see people who, who come across them and they're like, wow, I really love this song, this movie.[00:08:00] It brings people together. Like you said, people from all over the world I love pop culture.

I'm fascinated by it.

[00:08:05] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:08:06] Isabel: It's just like history, but that we live now. So probably in a few years, we're going to look back at it and be like, oh, do you remember when

[00:08:15] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:08:15] Isabel: sometimes that's happened? And I think it's important. It's just part of our experience as human beings and what we can see they're popular.

I don't know. It moves a lot of people and it's important. Yeah.

definitely.

[00:08:30] Ryan: I totally agree. It's kind of like,

it's like the fun history. It's like, if you look back at pop culture it's just like the fun stuff that, people were doing. Like so much of history is like, you know, the heavy stuff. Yeah, but the fun part of of pop culture, And of history is that it really does bring people together.

in, and then as pop culture goes on, it really gets tied to memories

[00:08:54] Isabel: Hm.

[00:08:56] Ryan: and, those memories become part of like, the fabric of our own lives. So I think it, [00:09:00]

[00:09:00] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:09:01] Ryan: it really has a personal aspect to it too. It's not just like, oh, you know, this is what people are listening to and liking, but I'm sorry, I'm having so much trouble.

[00:09:10] Isabel: That's okay.

[00:09:11] Ryan: Am I going to die in here?

[00:09:14] Isabel: The last podcast.

[00:09:16] Ryan: go out with a bag, but you know, like, if you think about those songs and, And the Beatles and, and things like, that, They become really part of our own lives. and that's where it goes from like that, you know, pop culture for everybody to, this is just a song on, in your kitchen. You know, I love that,

[00:09:35] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:09:36] Ryan: be both of those things.

[00:09:38] Isabel: Yeah.

it, it, Yeah,

it

definitely can. I think that, well, at least personally, I've been expanding more when it comes to pop culture, as in current pop culture, for instance, you know, I've been listening to a lot of Taylor swift now, and I remember being a bit, a bit, bit like a, like a music snob when I was younger.

And like, this song is great. [00:10:00] This album is. Why not give it like the seriousness or like, pay attention. So it just because it's from this popular artist, you know what I mean? It doesn't always have something old or something

like

that. People can see the respectable,

it can be anything that you like, And if that's whoever then

[00:10:18] Ryan: Exactly. Yeah, I totally agree. How do you like what do you think prompted that kind of moving out of like, that snobbery? Cause I used to have it too, and I've really switched to of

Like what, this is all things that people have made. Why am I being snobby about

this? Like

[00:10:36] Isabel: I don't know. I think it's just the way with the years as I get older. Like maybe when you're a teenager, you're a bit more like careful with what represents you. and you're like, I'm only going to listen to this. I'm only going to watch this or dress a certain way.

and then as you get older, you don't, you don't really care anymore.

[00:10:49] Ryan: yeah.

[00:10:51] Isabel: As long as

you like something. Nobody's going to be

checking your Spotify

playlist. It doesn't really matter, [00:11:00] but yeah, it's just like enjoying whatever you like.

[00:11:05] Ryan: Totally. And it's like, life's a lot more fun if you can go from like punk rock to hip

hop to,

Taylor swift to like, you know, sixties. Yeah. Yeah. it makes life more interesting. Why would we be

like, oh, I don't like, I don't understand that.

[00:11:18] Isabel: You don't have to box yourself. I got to where you're like,

[00:11:22] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:11:23] Isabel: whatever,

[00:11:24] Ryan: I think that you're right though. But when you're younger, you are kind of like trying to establish

like, this is who I am and,

[00:11:30] Isabel: Yeah.

And try to make it be like a school class,

[00:11:35] Ryan: yeah,

[00:11:37] Isabel: two things that you like. So maybe you discover something that you really like at that time. And you're like, wow. Let's say the strokes. And you're like, this is what represents me now in the kid, whatever. But then there's more out there too that it's not like you are more, each person is more than just like what they like at a certain moment in time.

So nothing wrong with it. [00:12:00] Moving away from that.

[00:12:03] Ryan: So talk to me about that moment, when you're,

you, said you like with the music, how does it work with movies? Is there

like, is there a scene in a movie where

it's like, oh my goodness. I, I want to do my version of that. Or like,

[00:12:16] Isabel: Yeah,

[00:12:16] Ryan: work? Yeah.

[00:12:18] Isabel: just like that. Like I'll be like in front of the screen. And so it of be, I, I want to see my mom, like, I love this?

I need to find the screenshots. I go on. Interesting, whatever I can. I find it, I'm going to start drawing it. It's it's quite simple. I would love to tell you Like

a certain, like a big process in my mind, but it's just like, I like this.

I want to reproduce it.

[00:12:41] Ryan: And then once you've reproduced. Is

there, like, do you just do one or do you do a few different versions? like,

how do you bring it to what we kind of see or what you put on a t-shirt

[00:12:50] Isabel: Yeah. Normally the final illustration that you see, for instance, in my Instagram feed. The first drawing that I've done [00:13:00] normally, unless I've tried like, a few on, I'm not

having to make a good day and I'm just like, I have to draw it again. I don't

like it. I'm not happy with it, but my creative process is quite

fast.

Like I said, I just see something I like or remember something and

I draw it like color rates. If it's in color, take a picture of it, go to my computer. Clean the background

[00:13:26] Ryan: yeah.

[00:13:27] Isabel: of the compressed. Well, it's a market uploaded.

[00:13:32] Ryan: Nice. Allow it there times though. Or you find yourself overthinking it.

[00:13:38] Isabel: Yes. If I find myself overthinking it, it means that I'm not really that inspired that

day.

[00:13:43] Ryan: Hmm. Interesting.

[00:13:44] Isabel: that I don't really know what I want to draw. So maybe I'll go onto something else. Because I like, to be, I like to

be quick when I draw, I don't want to spend hours looking at my drawing and not

liking it.

[00:13:56] Ryan: yeah,

[00:13:57] Isabel: And that can happen anyway.

Like when I finish that drawing, [00:14:00] it's like, when you take a picture of yourself

and just stare at it for too long, and you're like, I hate

this same things happened with it. Same way with my friends. Like I try not to look at them for too long. It's like,

[00:14:13] Ryan: yeah. you just get it out there.

[00:14:16] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:14:17] Ryan: I liked that. I liked that you had

to learn that that was something though for you. That was like that, this means I'm not that inspired by it.

[00:14:25] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah. Like it's just like a feeling you get like either you're inspired or

you're not inspired at that

moment in time,

you know, it's going to turn out differently

if, if you are inspired, so you might've will wake up

[00:14:40] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah, It's tough because like that waiting for inspiration can be, I don't know, for me, sometimes it means it puts me off from doing, you know, the work that I, if we're creative people, we want to be doing work

sometimes it's Like it's easy to use it as an excuse. Have you

had to find a balance with any of that?[00:15:00]

[00:15:00] Isabel: Again, what do you mean? Like I've had loans where I'm like, no, I'm not inspired at all. Like, I can't grow up just like, I mean, physically I could sit myself down. Drawing something on a piece of paper, but mentally I'm like, no, I don't really want to draw anything.

[00:15:14] Ryan: no.

[00:15:16] Isabel: I think that the good, the good balance that I've found is that I haven't made illustration for my whole career.

So cause I studied, I'm a translator direct to them, not full-time data straights. So don't feel the weight of having to earn money off of it all the time. So I think that takes pressure off. Of my creative process. So I basically just throw whenever I want to. And whenever I feel inspired and I don't have to make it like my whole career, I have other things on the side.

So I think that that's kind of, the secrets would be like being like relaxed with your own work.

[00:15:55] Ryan: yeah,

[00:15:57] Isabel: I don't know why, if that's the case for you. [00:16:00]

[00:16:00] Ryan: I think everyone has to find their own balance. You know, I think for some people, it wouldn't be enough to have another job. I think it's like, I need to do this only. But you're a hundred percent right

about it really takes the pressure off and just keeps it like joyful and

[00:16:18] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:16:18] Ryan: that you like to do and keeps it fresh and, and

[00:16:21] Isabel: Yeah. I mean, I would obviously love to make a living out of just my illustrations, but I

know that. it would say like a longer time to just draw whatever. I like another word, maybe for clients or

for like other people and maybe

not really drawing what you want to

draw. I don't know what I'm just looking at it that way for now.

Maybe next year. I don't,

I

[00:16:45] Ryan: yeah.

[00:16:46] Isabel: change and I'll be in a different career path, but for now I just have it, like, I just balance it that?

way with my other, my other Brokenhill career.

[00:16:55] Ryan: Yeah,

was that a choice that you had to make? Was it a challenging choice or was it [00:17:00] just like, this makes

sense. This fit, this is where this fits.

[00:17:03] Isabel: well, at first I was a bit frustrated because I would have liked to be like a full-time artist and have studied arts and, and whatnot. But as the years went by, I saw that it really helped me, like I said, balance one thing on the other and maybe like, I don't know, in the world that we live in. Find a job more easily.

Thanks to my other professional path

[00:17:31] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:17:32] Isabel: than having to live off of arts. it's what I did. So

[00:17:37] Ryan: yeah,

[00:17:38] Isabel: me.

[00:17:39] Ryan: yeah.

I I I respect it and I definitely can see the benefits. I know that there's this book called big magic and Elizabeth Gilbert talks about like, not wanting to ever put the pressure on her art, her creativity to make her money. and that was a decision that she made and, I was, I think that's really admirable.

I think everyone has to make that decision for [00:18:00] themselves though. Right. So let's talk about your creativity and kind of coming up. When did you discover that?

You're like, so you said you've been drawing

since early age.

[00:18:10] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:18:11] Ryan: You've always been a creative.

[00:18:13] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah. I've always been kind of like the artsy kid in class. I've

always drawn. I've I wasn't in charge of throwing whatever needed to be thrown in that at the time

birthday cards, anything I would love, I would love to draw all the time. My parents,

so that's at an early age and they kept like, buying me

stuff.

They always encourage me.

I couldn't pinpoint like a moments in time. It's just like something that's always been. Yeah.

[00:18:43] Ryan: Yeah.

I like that. When, when did you decide to like, take it a bit more

seriously? Like an open Instagram and when, what was That push of? Like, okay. I want to, I want to make this mine, like, tell me about that.

[00:18:56] Isabel: That happened around 2017.

[00:19:00] And I'm having to say it was thanks to the people around me who were like telling me, why don't you open an Instagram account? Why don't you put your drinks out there? Why don't you do this? And I was like, nah, I dunno, being like a bit shy on whatever. But then I just started one day.

It went really well. Here we are. So

[00:19:19] Ryan: Now you're talking to some guy from Canada. Cool.

[00:19:23] Isabel: no, and it's been really interesting to see how just by

putting yourself out there, you kind of build like a,

a Mimi to like this.

I don't know, like you have your own

portfolio when Instagram get people from all

over the world like you, for example let's see your

work. You have a lot more opportunities.

Rather than just

like, gatekeeping everything.

[00:19:46] Ryan: yeah. Does it bring any pressure for you?

[00:19:51] Isabel: I think the pressure is more like it might sound

silly, but like I'm really picky on how my feed looks.

[00:19:57] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:19:59] Isabel: [00:20:00] So sometimes I've got uploaded, maybe I dunno, a few pictures or illustrations or whatever. And then I look at my feed again and I hate it. So I'm, I deleted and I tried to change it around.

Then I regret meeting it. Then I have to, like, I don't know, the pressure is just

me fighting with myself. So

[00:20:19] Ryan: yeah,

Aren't we all,

[00:20:22] Isabel: we are our own things.

[00:20:24] Ryan: sometimes when I post to Instagram, I have to like, put down my phone for Like further up posted at noon or whatever. and then I'll just be Like, I have to, like put this because I just want to keep checking and like, mess, like.

[00:20:36] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:20:37] Ryan: It's it's funny how there's this thing that's connected Like that's how I

that's how I discovered your work. And that's what led us to us talking today. it obviously has positive aspects to it, but man, it is hard to get out of that social. Like sometimes it just gets in there, like,

[00:20:52] Isabel: It's like, it's a love, hate relationship. Like thanks to Instagram. I, well, I'm talking to you, but also.

[00:21:00] it can be so crazy, like the pressure that you, that you put on yourself? Well, what I found helps me is like not really spending too much time on the app. I'm not comparing yourself to other artists. Like I follow lots of artists that I love and I really love them all, but I try not to look at what they're doing.

[00:21:16] Ryan: yeah,

[00:21:17] Isabel: pull that I'm I don't get a, like what why am I not doing this? Why am I not doing that? Or why am I not in this exhibition? Like, why not? It's just really frustrating if you start inevitably comparing yourself to others. So I just have lots of people muted.

Like I said, it's people that I, that I love and I admire and whenever I want to, I'll just search for them.

And maybe like at the moment, look at the other feed on their word. But like when you pick up a book and you? look at whatever you want to look at,

[00:21:49] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:21:51] Isabel: not having everything thrown at you all the time, I'm feeling pressured. So it's just like, I prefer to choose when I look at someone else's work rather [00:22:00] than having it showed up, like all the time.

I

[00:22:03] Ryan: yeah, no, that does make sense. And it's really, that's a, you're kind of protecting yourself I think we've all been there for having like a lower day and then we see something and it just like, it's Like we're jealous,

but to me like that, you could have been like, oh, things are going great.

I'm So positive but just the wrong thing, the wrong social.

post at the

wrong time.

[00:22:27] Isabel: run today? Why.

[00:22:29] Ryan: Yeah. And then there's that jealousy or that, like,

it just sends you on the I should be doing this. I should be doing

that. And

[00:22:35] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:36] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:22:37] Isabel: Yeah. I mean, it's like a battle with yourself. Cause for example, even the thing that we talked about before the feed or how, or what it looks like or whatever, like nobody else cares. So Like literally nobody else is going to be checking that this background is white and this one is colorful and the next one is white.

So it's just like you, we can wait out on our own. Lethal stressful Instagram [00:23:00] world of our own. And the thing is that when I talk to other other artists that I know everyone's the same, everyone has the same problem. And it's like, it's interesting. Cause we are like suffering from the same

[00:23:12] Ryan: yeah.

[00:23:13] Isabel: problem.

We think that the next person doesn't think that, oh, it doesn't have this kind of problems or maybe, but it's that, it's just like,

a reflection of one another.

[00:23:23] Ryan: yeah,

it's comforting to be like, oh, okay. Like when you have those times where it's like, okay, I've, I'm obsessing about my feet or whatever. It's helpful to kind of like put it down to be like,

everyone has to deal with this sometimes. And you're like I'm okay. And then you can move on. it's like, you can let yourself off the hook a, little.

[00:23:41] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:23:43] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:23:44] Isabel: And it's not that serious, like at the end of the day. Your art

[00:23:53] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:23:53] Isabel: in

Social media app, like,

[00:23:58] Ryan: I think that's, [00:24:00]

I think that's a great

reminder. put that at the end of every podcast, like okay. So all this stuff is actually not that, serious. So just go, go draw.

[00:24:10] Isabel: Don't cry.

[00:24:11] Ryan: Yeah. We can overthink this and it's fun too, but also it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all.

[00:24:19] Isabel: It doesn't matter either is going to like cause you, maybe I decided to your problems, like that's what I'm trying to say.

[00:24:25] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:24:26] Isabel: when it comes to note-taking, that's needed to be, obviously it's, serious because it's your work, but I'm talking about like the Instagram world.

[00:24:33] Ryan: Oh for sure. And but even like, even the work, sometimes we have to take that part. Not as seriously as we take it you know, like, it's like, we have to be serious about our creativity, but then also for too serious about it, the fund's gone and that we're, we're

stressing about it or like, and it's not it's, it's the reason why You you're like, you kept it like something that you can have fun with, right? Yeah. it's just [00:25:00] this whole conversation that we've hit all these things of like, these internal things that we have to keep balanced in our minds of. Like,

I, I don't look at it too long or if I'm stressing about like all these little tricks, mental tricks, that's all we have.

[00:25:16] Isabel: Yeah. You just find out what works for you.

[00:25:19] Ryan: Yeah, and do more of that.

[00:25:22] Isabel: yeah, yeah.

[00:25:24] Ryan: So, yeah, that's our advice. So we talked about other people's work tough to me. We talked about the negative aspect of other people's work a little bit, but talk to me about like, the positive aspect. Was there a few artists that kind of like pushed you to kind

of like get better to like, do more like in a good way though?

[00:25:47] Isabel: Yeah. So there's a few artists that I admire and I have always admired since I was little, for instance I'm pronouncing his name correctly, but he was like a Hollywood artists [00:26:00] and he

would make characters, herself, famous people. And I remember going into a shop and seeing like all. these characters and I was like, wow, that's so cool.

I would love to do that. Like, like really famous people from old home. And then there's a very famous Spanish illustrator called Jody Lawanda.

[00:26:17] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:26:18] Isabel: I remember when, like he came.

All of his stuff came out and we had like, stationary illustrations that I thought everything I would always buy it's he would always draw a like this kind of like

fashionable girls, as on sometimes what he did was he drew

famous people to like, celebrities and he really kept her their expression.

I was so fascinated by like, wow, this really looks like

Madonna, for example. I can see now that I'm talking to you, that

it's always been like the same kind of thing that trying to capture people's facial expressions. when it comes to just like Instagram artists, there's these she's also [00:27:00] Spanish.

These artists called Anna

She also has like her home style and she

draws Famous people too.

[00:27:08] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:27:08] Isabel: And I remember

seeing her, her account and I

was like, wow, I love this so much. Like,

so yeah. There's a few people that have

really inspired me. It all has to do a bit with pop culture

with like,

the representation of

let's say celebrities or movies or whatever.

Yeah. Just like cartoons in general, like comic books, trips that I dunno. Do you know, letting go watching

the same sense and suddenly like a celebrity comes on and you're like, whoa, that's really experienced in that same sense. Like, for me, that was, it was so cool. Like that's like, like being able to draw this character as in like a very specific style,

[00:27:50] Ryan: yeah.

[00:27:50] Isabel: people have, have known like Britain experience, for

[00:27:53] Ryan: Yeah. It's like double pop culture. Like it's like pop culture through the lens of another pop culture. It's like, [00:28:00]

[00:28:00] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:28:01] Ryan: I know what you mean. It's really exciting too. And it's fun to hear that you like that's has been like a constant of you and like, like admiring it in other people because it is a cool thing when someone's style

It's so distinctly their style, but it's also so distinctly that person

that like, It's a cool trick, you know?

[00:28:21] Isabel: Yeah. That's my, my aim.

[00:28:23] Ryan: Yeah. it's it's very cool.

[00:28:27] Isabel: It's what you said. It's like in pop culture yet. That's exactly what happens.

[00:28:32] Ryan: Yeah.

And it's exciting like those times where like, oh, like I remember the white stripes run and it's

like, I think even for those artists, it's like,

oh, I, you know, I did something that's iconic.

[00:28:44] Isabel: Hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really satisfying when people recognize, oh, that's whoever, I mean, yeah.

[00:28:53] Ryan: as a habit.

[00:28:56] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:28:56] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:28:57] Isabel: Maybe when I'm at a market or what ever and people are [00:29:00] looking up on my print and they're like, oh, this

is person. And

[00:29:03] Ryan: Oh, I love it.

[00:29:04] Isabel: really captured their essence or like,

[00:29:06] Ryan: Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought

someone, you said, I thought someone was like, oh, I know your art like recognized your specific art. I think I would.

[00:29:16] Isabel: oh, thank you. That looks like you drew it. And I didn't enjoy that, like oh, okay.

[00:29:23] Ryan: You're like, well, You're like,

start picking at it.

[00:29:30] Isabel: Yeah. No, but Yeah. people recognize your, your stomach, it's really, it's really,

cool.

[00:29:37] Ryan: Yeah. Celebrities too, to like go back to that a little. They can be it's. I don't think people talk about this and maybe we talk about it when someone dies. But there are some people that you'll never meet, but when they die, you really do feel it as a loss. And I think that's,

[00:29:54] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:29:55] Ryan: ties into the pop culture too, of just like how

[00:29:58] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:29:58] Ryan: get some [00:30:00] of these people.

[00:30:01] Isabel: Hmm. Yeah. There's a few celebrities that I'm scared when they're, when they die.

[00:30:05] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:30:06] Isabel: For example.

Ringo Starr, pull my car with me. Like I know I'm going to be sad. And like you said, I don't really know?

them. I don't know

if they're good people or not. Like, I don't know them per se, but just the way the, what they put out

to the world, like with their

music, it just like it's a part of your life, like you said

before, so you feel the task lost.

I don't know,

It's, it's quite a thing.

[00:30:32] Ryan: a few years ago and David Bowie and

prince died close to each other. I was like mourning for like the world, because like, it was like the world's less interesting now. Like it

just, just something that made this world weirder and cooler and

[00:30:48] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:30:48] Ryan: now.

[00:30:49] Isabel: Hm.

[00:30:51] Ryan: And I think that's something that's pop culture too. We don't talk about it, like pop culture, but it is.

[00:30:56] Isabel: No, it is, it is,

pop culture and it's like having something that you [00:31:00] love die. So obviously

you're going to feel sad. Maybe it's not like a family member, but it's something, some parts of your, of what

you like, and what we love. It can be music or, maybe you just

admire this person for their life in general, but still it's. Yeah. it's quite interesting. Doesn't it? Oh, celebrities that we admire.

[00:31:19] Ryan: Yeah. I also liked when you were saying about, so you talked about the stationary that you had that had these illustrations on it, where you like, were you younger? Like when, when you had

[00:31:29] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah, that was when I was back at school and every year

I would go and check like the new.

Can you

merge? I remember like always getting it for my birthday cause it's in September. So it's always like

[00:31:40] Ryan: yeah.

[00:31:41] Isabel: it was like a nice something that happened each year. I remember like just going on my dad's computer and checking out this illustration, something trying to like make my own illustration that, and here we are.

[00:31:54] Ryan: I love it. And I love, I think that's not to keep going on on the pop culture thing, but [00:32:00] I mean, even the, even that accompany decided to print those things and then they inspired you as a as a kid and

like someone coming up in school. And I think that is something that we don't appreciate enough either.

I mean, that's something that was part of your journey and something that

reminded you, Hey,

I wanna, I want to draw like that. And,

[00:32:21] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:32:21] Ryan: like in an office being like, oh, and I'll go

with these ones.

[00:32:25] Isabel: Yeah, it's really interesting yet. You only realize it, like now that I'm looking back at it, because you're, we're talking about it's obviously been a big part of why I

make this kind of illustrations

[00:32:41] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:32:41] Isabel: could do it, I dunno, watercolor or oil painting or whatever, but I'm just like stuck in this

[00:32:48] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:32:49] Isabel: illustration.

[00:32:51] Ryan: Talk about your, talk to me about your process. Are there things that you do, like, because we keep it because you're saying that you keep it kind of like, you [00:33:00] want to

keep it fun. And you put any work in, like, expanding the craft or expanding your tools or

what

[00:33:06] Isabel: Yes.

[00:33:07] Ryan: do you give into that?

[00:33:09] Isabel: So I have tried on, there are a few distractions out there that have been modified way. Illustrates it with Adobe illustrator. I'm trying to move towards a more digital art, but I find it quite difficult. I don't know why there's something about that. Just

I'm scared that it. will change my style completely. And they would just look like any other generic. It was written out there, but at the same time, I know there's like so many possibilities with, with this kind of programs that were like a tablet or whatever. So I'm always tempted to like, get one on starts. Drawing like that

and expanding

my, my knowledge.

But at the same time, I think there's something quite nice about

just using my filter pens, and pens, but I think eventually I

will evolve

[00:34:00] into the digital art world.

[00:34:01] Ryan: Yeah. I love that about creativity and it's something we have to decide for ourselves. Just like we were talking before about the work thing is like, how far do you, want to push whatever thing you're doing. Right. You know, it's like, Every art form can be like a rabbit hole of, well, if you do this, then like if you get into photography, then you can get this camera in this game And, it can just keep going.

Eventually you have to just be like, this is where I'm gonna, this is my zone. and I'm going to be comfortable here.

[00:34:29] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:34:29] Ryan: That takes,

I don't know, maybe maturity or resources. Maybe you

just have to be comfortable, but it's interesting.

[00:34:37] Isabel: I think it's good to give it a go see if it works for you.

If it doesn't, then you can go back to what works for you. And if it does, then you found a way out drawing. So

[00:34:47] Ryan: Yeah.

So there's no downside, but do you ever, do you ever

feel like, do you ever battle imposter syndrome at all? like when you see someone like doing digital art, is it ever

like, oh, like, do you have that negative? Like,

[00:34:59] Isabel: Yeah, [00:35:00] for me, it, like, if I want to be like a proper professional in this field, I have to know how to work with digital arts and know all of the programs, because first of all, it makes everything faster. So obviously, or. Clients it's it's something good for you to have like the skill?

[00:35:19] Ryan: yeah.

[00:35:20] Isabel: Like I said, like, it can elevate your art if you know how to use them properly to like a different level.

And there are so many possibilities.

I know that if I want

to seem more professional, maybe if I started working with

other people, I have to jump into

[00:35:36] Ryan: Hmm, but then we go back to that balance of just like, you know, that

adds this pressure. That's not there necessarily right now.

[00:35:45] Isabel: Yeah,

[00:35:46] Ryan: that sweet spot. I think. I don't know. It's tough.

[00:35:50] Isabel: I think it depends on how ambitious he

wants to

be. Like, if it's just for

fun night, like it has been for me for a few

years, then [00:36:00] you're doing good like that. But maybe if I wanted to a different audience or. Some other people to work with them. understand why they would want me to know how to use

Photoshop

[00:36:13] Ryan: Yeah. I think that's a great point about the ambition is that some people have more than other people. Talk to me about your creativity though, and how you balance that with the people around

you. I mean, so this is now a part of your life that's growing. You have your full-time job. You ever family?

Talk to me about finding the balance as a creative person.

[00:36:36] Isabel: Yeah for me.

When I sit down on is just part of like, my

me-time, so I love spending time alone and it's just therapeutic for me. I've always found it.

Something that really relaxes me. That's why I don't really want to spoil it with like, Like,

we were talking before, because it's just a big part of me [00:37:00] in my own little world.

So

Yeah.

when I'm that, when my social how'd they say like I've been around so many people that I made just some time with myself, I just sit down and draw it.

[00:37:15] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:37:16] Isabel: I feel better with myself.

[00:37:18] Ryan: I love that And I think at the end of the day, like, that is That's the best, you know. before you had social media before you had, you could get alone and you could draw and you'd feel better about yourself

and it's, it's so nice. Oh like creative people as creative people. We have that as an option to like, we can

[00:37:39] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:37:40] Ryan: something and feel better.

[00:37:41] Isabel: Yeah. exactly. And then you have like a finished product. Like you can

see

[00:37:45] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:37:46] Isabel: came out. Maybe you were feeling

sad or whatever, like one hour ago, and then suddenly you've got like this illustration you're putting out of better. You even made this. So it's just like, Yeah.

[00:37:57] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:37:57] Isabel: people go out for a run and they run for like, [00:38:00] thank kilometers on other people

too.

[00:38:03] Ryan: they they go do a draw. So with your creativity, if You were to picture it in your mind's eye

[00:38:12] Isabel: Hmm.

[00:38:12] Ryan: a physical form What would that look like? and how you

interact with it

[00:38:19] Isabel: Hm.

[00:38:19] Ryan: but sometimes I have fun answers.

[00:38:24] Isabel: What would it look like? I think it's, it would be like a bottle of clay. Cause it can change so much, like.

[00:38:33] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:38:35] Isabel: Do what that moment. So it's not like to be something that it can change forms, but also Colorful.

[00:38:43] Ryan: Colorful.

[00:38:44] Isabel: black and white, but also simple. Like, I don't want to make it complicated, but,

Yeah.

[00:38:52] Ryan: It's like magic clay.

[00:38:54] Isabel: My nucleus or like slime, I don't know, whatever

like that you can, but you [00:39:00] can change, but it's also not there all the time.

[00:39:03] Ryan: Hmm.

[00:39:04] Isabel: Hmm. That's a good

question. Yeah. Magically

[00:39:09] Ryan: Talk to me about when it's, not there. How do you, is it?

[00:39:14] Isabel: when it,

[00:39:15] Ryan: do you worry about it? do

you

[00:39:17] Isabel: I always know it's going to come back. Yeah. There's been a few times where I was worried

about. Why

haven't I been throwing in a month? like, what's wrong? Why am I

feeling so weird? But then one day I just sit down and it goes away. So

like if I'm not spending inspired at a certain moment in my life, I know will eventually, so doesn't stress me out.

[00:39:39] Ryan: Yeah.

I liked that. again, we're letting you off the hook, you know, it's like, there's no point in being hard on yourself about something like this, right? On the other hand, you have quotes like where someone says, like inspirations for amateurs or, or something like that. There's that phrase while I think it has good intention can put a lot of pressure on you of like [00:40:00] when you're having a month where you don't feel inspired and you've tried to draw on it? and it's just, or whatever, creative person, whatever creative thing someone does.

[00:40:09] Isabel: Okay.

[00:40:09] Ryan: I think though, that that

thought can ring in your mind of like, oh, maybe I'm, maybe I'm

not this creative person. Do you ever have any of those things that you have to come up with? A sore through?

[00:40:20] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah. Like for me it happens mostly when, when I have to draw something for someone else. And that's where I'm like do I really like drawing or do I just like things that I like, because It's gonna be so frustrating when people that like I mean, I love, I love commission commission, but at sometimes it's just like, when the idea doesn't come from within yourself, it's so hard to also like, try to imagine what the other person wants from you, because they want it to be in your style, but you

feel the pressure of like, they have to like it?

[00:40:59] Ryan: Yeah. [00:41:00]

[00:41:00] Isabel: I wouldn't necessarily

draw this myself.

So yeah.

That's where the pressure comes in and that's theirs and they also may be, might have like a certain expectation or they're like really looking forward to seeing the final product. So that stresses me out even more. And then, Yeah,

[00:41:19] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:41:21] Isabel: that's where I feel like I'd be like, Hmm, am I an imposter?

Or should I Get paid for this, or should I

just stick with my little Instagram accounts?

[00:41:31] Ryan: Yeah.

It's a, I love what you said. like do I like drawing or do I just like drawing

[00:41:37] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:41:38] Ryan: because it's a real question. I mean, it's a question for all of us creatives at the end of the day, it's like do you like doing this enough to do it for other people? and that question can, can change a lot of things. I think, I think maybe I should have asked myself that question like years ago on some

things I'm like, do I really want to do this for someone else?

Or Do I just want to do this for me?

[00:41:57] Isabel: No.

[00:41:58] Ryan: can be very freeing to

just [00:42:00] answer that.

[00:42:01] Isabel: but also sometimes it's worth trying, right?

Like at least For example, I, I drew these I painted this wall for like a kindergarten kindergarten

school at Oakland. And at first I was like, why am I doing this? Like, I've never painted them. This I've never done this kind of thing before, but then I ended up loving it and I wouldn't mind doing it again.

So that's just an example, trying something different times, unliking it in the end. But obviously if I did it and I did the Nike, then probably I wouldn't do it again,

so.

[00:42:33] Ryan: It's just about staying open, right? Like

that's what I'm getting a lot from you is like, you gotta stay open to those possibilities.

[00:42:40] Isabel: you try to, and like I said before, if you don't like it.

[00:42:43] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:42:44] Isabel: forcing you to do it again, that's it?

[00:42:46] Ryan: I guess it's having the proper response when you don't like it. Like, if you put a lot of pressure on yourself, you can be like, oh, I don't like this, but I, or I'm not good at this, or I'm not as good as I thought I would be. Yeah. if you're trying it out, then you can be casual [00:43:00] about

it.

But if you

[00:43:00] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:43:02] Ryan: then it can be a negative

thing of like, oh, I don't

like that. And then it can go and turn off.

[00:43:07] Isabel: Yeah. And we've created people. I think that the problem we have is that creative creativity is such a, big part

of ourselves and our personality and how people see us that I feel like

if we fail in this, then it's kind of over. like,

[00:43:22] Ryan: Yep.

[00:43:23] Isabel: if people suddenly

started hating my drawings, let's say, I, I wouldn't know what to do.

Like,

like that's just such a big part

of myself. That that's the way the

pressure comes from. Like, if you do something like a commission or like you end up not liking It It's like not liking yourself in a certain

way, which is weird, but it's also makes sense. Cause it's a product that you have created.

And you feel kind of like a failure if you don't like

it, but obviously you can try again and

[00:43:54] Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think that urge to make stuff comes from? like

[00:43:59] Isabel: Hm.

[00:43:59] Ryan: [00:44:00] head, when you hear that song and

you like to kind of imagine it with the music video, like what's your opinion on where that comes from?

[00:44:10] Isabel: I'm not, I'm not sure where it comes from. It's just like this.

that tells me,

I don't know. I don't really know where it comes from. It's just like you get this urge to draw and

[00:44:26] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:44:27] Isabel: do it then

that's it. I don't really have an

explanation for that.

[00:44:32] Ryan: no, don't be sorry. I'm glad I like,

I liked what your voice for it.

like, just draw the kids up.

[00:44:39] Isabel: Someone at the back of My head saying like,

[00:44:42] Ryan: Yeah. what's your favorite thing to draw.

[00:44:46] Isabel: My favorite thing to

draw.

[00:44:48] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:44:49] Isabel: Hm. I have to say women. I find, I find, it easier to grow women than men. And maybe [00:45:00] because of the movies that I, that I watch. Maybe it's just like a constant recurring theme in like, like I said, like I like aesthetically pleasing movies and colorful movies. So maybe, maybe that's the reason why I ended up growing.

Like, if you go through my Instagram account, you find that Yeah. It's like 80% women probably. But Yeah.

I just, I don't know. I find it easier. And they like it. I

don't know.

[00:45:33] Ryan: That's a good answer. What do you think it is though,

about women that I, other than the easier thing? Like, is there something like, do they just hold expressions that kind of communicate

[00:45:44] Isabel: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that I feel myself represented when I. When I watch these movies and I'm like, well, I understand

why she's saying this and why she's doing that. So I just, maybe if there's like a quote that I like from a field or whatever that I'm like, oh, I [00:46:00] really understand where she's coming from. Let me draw this and feeling like parts of my understanding

from this movie,

[00:46:09] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:46:10] Isabel: I think it's a representation really

Like

[00:46:12] Ryan: Yeah. I talked to another illustrator from, from Utah and he, he, said he, his favorite thing just draws women as well, because it's like, he said that

easier thing, but then also he just, he loves the energy.

So it's just, it's interesting when you

hear similar things from different people from different perspectives too.

[00:46:30] Isabel: Hmm. Yeah. Maybe he gets like a certain nice feminine energy

[00:46:35] Ryan: Yeah,

[00:46:35] Isabel: on mine differently. I don't know, for me, it's more like seeing myself

represented in these women, but at the end of the day, we both liked

drawing the same thing. So it's quite interesting.

[00:46:47] Ryan: yeah.

I, I like how it changes and stays the same at the same time.

[00:46:51] Isabel: The final thing is the same, but the recent way

[00:46:53] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:46:54] Isabel: they're different.

[00:46:55] Ryan: Yeah. the thing about creativity and creative people. That just it a thing. [00:47:00] I

keep scratching it because It's what brings us together. What connects us. It's all different, but it's all the same.

It's so interesting.

[00:47:07] Isabel: It's just a parts of ourself that we put out there for the world to see

[00:47:12] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:47:13] Isabel: an extension of ourselves.

[00:47:15] Ryan: Yeah.

Is there anything about creativity that you've kind of learned? I think you've learned a lot. Like, I, I really value everything you said about I, think a lot of us have the people listen, are in that middle ground of Like, this is growing and this is my own thing, but it's not my whole thing right now. like, I think your perspective on that has

been amazing. Is there anything else that you've kind of learned

about being a creative person?

[00:47:42] Isabel: Yes. I feel like, well it happened more at the beginning, but also a bit now, like I could have had to be like really meet in what I did, like realized pretty quick. Just stick to that. Otherwise, like the project wouldn't make any

sense,

[00:47:58] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:47:59] Isabel: [00:48:00] but really it's just limiting yourself.

And going back to like how my Instagram feed looked like, it's just like, if I suddenly saw like, oh, there's a

movie, then there's a sound.

And that's something that doesn't have to do

anything. Well, what I'm trying to say with all of this, that the creative process doesn't have any limits and you can draw in my case, whatever you like, whatever you

feel. It can be an object. It can be a person. It doesn't always have to be a movie, a song.

It

can be anything you like I was limiting myself at the beginning more with what I thought I could do

[00:48:36] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:48:37] Isabel: sense as a creative person. Like I thought I had to be, like I said before, like really specific

in my art, but it's a

free world, so

[00:48:48] Ryan: What would that

[00:48:48] Isabel: yeah.

[00:48:48] Ryan: like for you? Like, would you be like, oh, I want to draw this or I

want to, and then you'd say no to

yourself. Like, is that

what would happen?

[00:48:55] Isabel: Yeah. I remember like maybe I would want to draw, let's say, I think it was like [00:49:00] a box of crayons or something like that that I that I wanted to draw one day. And I remember this was during the

lockdown. I did it and I, at first I liked it

and then I was like,

Why, why did I join this

Wha what's this, like, it doesn't make any sense. And I, I even uploaded it and then I ended up deleting it because

I just like put the pressure on

myself. This doesn't really make any sense with the rest of your, work. So why are you doing this? But I like, I did it, I drew it and then I didn't like it. So I just like ended up deleting it.

[00:49:37] Ryan: Yeah.

but now you're realizing why did I delete that? Like, I shouldn't have deleted that.

[00:49:42] Isabel: Yeah. Now I'm like,

going back to what I said before.

Like nobody cares that much. Like,

[00:49:48] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:49:49] Isabel: I don't think someone is going to be like, Ooh, why is he drawing a box of friends and not a movie poster or whatever?

[00:49:57] Ryan: I came here for Wes Anderson and French [00:50:00] girls not crayons, so

[00:50:03] Isabel: Exactly. I'm like, well, I mean, if people want to. Following me, everybody stopped seeing that kind of content, then that's perfectly fine, but I don't want that to be the reason why I am limiting myself.

[00:50:16] Ryan: Yeah.

Yeah. I've Like, found recently with like, my work is like, I want to keep picking and I, and I'm like stopping myself. I'm like, could I make this 10% better? Yes. But is it actually going to make any, is it going to, change anything?

No. Do the next one.

[00:50:34] Isabel: Yeah.

[00:50:36] Ryan: It's tough though.

[00:50:38] Isabel: Yeah. It's fun.

It's a lot of things,

[00:50:44] Ryan: That that's the best explanation I've heard of creativity. It's fun. It's tough. It's a lot of things. Yes.

[00:50:55] Isabel: yeah.

[00:50:57] Ryan: Isabel, it's been so nice getting [00:51:00] to know you and hearing about your art and, and hearing about like, you know, the woman who's making all the stuff that I've admired and liked for a long time.

So you so much for spending the time and, and, you know, sharing your work with us. I don't think I have any more questions, so I think we're good.

[00:51:15] Isabel: thank you so much for having me, Ryan. I really

like, which has been an amazing experience.

Can serve you that, but I feel like it's

like face-to-face with someone. So it's, I'm almost, I will never

forget.

[00:51:27] Ryan: Aw. That's, that's, I'm glad I got, I'm glad we

could share this moment together. Where can we find you on social media in

case someone has.

[00:51:35] Isabel: Yes. So at you, Isabel, Isabel spelled like the Spanish way,

[00:51:41] Ryan: I love it.

[00:51:42] Isabel: I S a B E L.

[00:51:44] Ryan: Are you on any other social media or just that one?

[00:51:46] Isabel: Instagram, Facebook, and then I've got my, my webpage,

[00:51:51] Ryan: Yeah.

[00:51:51] Isabel: Www dot dot com.

[00:51:54] Ryan: Do you

[00:51:55] Isabel: So you can,

[00:51:55] Ryan: new projects coming up that you're excited about?

[00:51:58] Isabel: Not at the [00:52:00] moment.

I'm just trying to, like, I,

said before, like maybe start getting into the digital world

and start experimented with new stuff.

[00:52:08] Ryan: Talk to me about your shirts though. Like, have you, like you recently had some products though, right? Like, is

that a kind of a new thing? Yeah.

[00:52:14] Isabel: Yeah. Well, I've been, I think I started maybe like around a year ago. I'm not missing a year ago.

[00:52:22] Ryan: Okay.

[00:52:23] Isabel: I have found That it's a good way to really engage with people because if people like your illustrations and are always going to want to hang them up

on their wall. Cause I don't know, it doesn't always fit their style or whatever, but what people like is wearing things that they like. On themselves, like t-shirts and like you said, It's like a pop

culture reference within a pop culture reference that you

kind of

also aware. So instead of having like,

the original

photo, any film, you have like a drawing, which represents

everything, this film, it's kind of like, if you know, you know, and, that's what they make about it.

Like, if you get the reference, get it. It's not [00:53:00] so obvious, but it's just like, Keeping it simple, but also things that people love. And I think That's, why the t-shirts and the jumpers are. I'm getting a bit more popular,

[00:53:10] Ryan: Yeah. Well, I love them. I think they look great on it. Your style, so cool. And

so like, it has this iconic thing to it that I really, really liked.

[00:53:18] Isabel: I guess.

[00:53:19] Ryan: Thank you. How could I? Okay,

[00:53:21] Isabel: You too. Thank you Ryan.